need some serious and acuurate answers for these questions

[sunlitcomet]

with all compatible pids active, will it be possible to see ampling rates of more then once every few seconds. what about if i turn some pids off. will i get faster rates?

can mode 6 data be viewed? if not when? by the end of this year or next?

and when ill we see bi-directional?  by the end of this year or next?

obdlink, scanxlpro, gm add-on, 1996 chevy tahoe automatic 4wd soon to receive a 0411 pcm upgrade

[GaryDoug]

with all compatible pids active, will it be possible to see ampling rates of more then once every few seconds. what about if i turn some pids off. will i get faster rates?

You should get faster rates using just a few PID's

can mode 6 data be viewed? if not when? by the end of this year or next?

GM Mode 6 data is not well supported by GM. Just see the service.gm.com web site to see what I mean. You can see Mode 6 data is some lesser programs like OBDWiz.


and when ill we see bi-directional?  by the end of this year or next?

Probably not. Keep in mind that their nearest competitor that offers bi-dir controls charges more than twice the price.

obdlink, scanxlpro, gm add-on, 1996 chevy tahoe automatic 4wd soon to receive a 0411 pcm upgrade

FYI, I am not affiliated with PPE

[mterveen]

with all compatible pids active, will it be possible to see ampling rates of more then once every few seconds. what about if i turn some pids off. will i get faster rates?

You should get faster rates using just a few PID's

can mode 6 data be viewed? if not when? by the end of this year or next?

GM Mode 6 data is not well supported by GM. Just see the service.gm.com web site to see what I mean. You can see Mode 6 data is some lesser programs like OBDWiz.


and when ill we see bi-directional?  by the end of this year or next?

Probably not. Keep in mind that their nearest competitor that offers bi-dir controls charges more than twice the price.

obdlink, scanxlpro, gm add-on, 1996 chevy tahoe automatic 4wd soon to receive a 0411 pcm upgrade

FYI, I am not affiliated with PPE

twice the price (autoenginutity-AE) is worth it if the features work!!!  i am waiting for a fix for my 01 camaro and nothing yet, even tho they have an almost identical car to test on!  look at the forum and the number of questions.  there's virtually no activity from users or ppe.  i received confirmation from an AE user that all their features do work for my camaro including the bi directional.   $350 for a product that doesn't fully work or $480 for one that does?!  you decide.

FYI, i an not affiliated with AE.

[GaryDoug]

I also have AE with the GM package and I can tell you that not everything on that works perfectly for my 1998 Trans Am. It offers 85 GM-specific parameters compared with 287 for ScanXL. That is not counting any SAE or calculated ones for either one. AE couldn't even read my engine's rpm because they were using the wrong formula for the GM PID#. If you look at their 10.2 release notes, there I am appearing just a few months ago: "GM-family • Fixed engine speed sensor on the Pontiac Firebird '98 5.7L". Wonder why that took so long to fix?
Their graphs crash and restart whenever I click on anything. The freeze frame data is hidden among a bug of other live data not belonging on the screen.
However, their 18 bi-dir controls do work nicely.

[mterveen]

that's good info to know about AE.  i know the 98 pcm is "special" as compared to the 99+ versions.  all i'm really after is the abs stuff.    i have hptuners for everything else (and torque pro for my phone if desperate).  it appears that ppe has determined the cause of the lack of abs pids available and an update may be in the next release.  i just hope the next release isn't 6 months out!  hopefully i could get a "special" version to use long before that. 

[sunlitcomet]

How about PPE responding to my original post please before going of further.

[GaryDoug]

This is a user forum, not support request. If you expect a response from PPE here, good luck. The proper method is via the "Contact Us" tab where you can send an email to support@palmerperformance.com.

[mterveen]

i think it is reasonable to post questions directly to ppe staff.  looking at some of your posts you have done the same!  it is beneficial for all to see responses from tech support on the forum, vs buried in a PM.  how many times have we seen a post where someone asks a question then later on says "resolved", only to fail to mention how they resolved it!!!   the lack of knowledgeable/experienced ppe users on this forum doesn't help.  maybe some day it will be better.

it appears you answered most of the OP questions other than the bi directional support one.  i'ld be interested in that answer also from ppe.

[Cody@PPE]

We have wanted to support the bi-directional commands for some time, but the hardware makes it tough.  An ELM hardware acts as a mediator and will not let us speak directly to the vehicle, we talk to the ELM and it then relays that to the vehicle, then tells us what the vehicle has said.  If the vehicle is trying to respond to us while the ELM is responding to us, we just will not get that message, thus bi-directional will just fail.  The solution is a J2534 interface, but affordable ones don't support J1850, which is the only vehicles we have the data to support.  It becomes a confusion riddled nightmare for users if we do claim we do bi-directional, but they can only do it if they have a special interface that will do it.  So here is our issue in a nutshell.

If you want bi-directional on GM you need this cable http://www.drewtech.com/technician/products/mongoosegm.html  $495
If you want bi-directional on Ford you need this cable http://www.drewtech.com/technician/products/mongooseford.html  $495
If you want bi-directional on GM and Ford you need both

[GaryDoug]

For J1850, the ELM327 does not really control anything except the checksum and the protocol timing. Even the header is fully configurable. You can send any string you want to the pcm unaffected, and even ignore the response, if you want. Try GM's mode $AE bi-dir format. It works just fine for me.

[sunlitcomet]

thanks cody.